{"id":392,"date":"2017-07-17T13:28:05","date_gmt":"2017-07-17T17:28:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/?p=392"},"modified":"2018-04-04T00:16:24","modified_gmt":"2018-04-04T04:16:24","slug":"pre-existence-before-the-katabole-satans-war-with-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/?p=392","title":{"rendered":"Pre-Existence before the Katabol\u00e9 &#8211; Satan&#8217;s war with God"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">This is the second chapter in the study related to the <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">The Katabol\u00e9 \u2013 Satan\u2019s war with God<\/a>. In this edition<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"> we will analyze the concept of our pre-existence of our souls in the time of the fall of Satan in scripture. Was our souls created when we were conceived and born as a baby or created by God at an earlier time?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">A prophecy was given in the 2<\/span><\/span><sup><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">nd<\/span><\/span><\/sup><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"> Book of Peter which talks about scoffers in the End Times that would joke about the return of Jesus. They would be ignorant of the <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">Katabol<\/a><a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">\u00e9<\/a> and the age of the Earth. They would not have enough knowledge of scripture to understand how God destroyed the Earth after Satan&#8217;s rebellion in the first Earth age. You can clearly see today how this prophecy has now been fulfilled:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>2 Peter 3:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-3.htm\">3<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-4.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>4<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-5.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>5<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: <\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-6.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>6<\/strong><\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-7.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>7<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">It is important to know the truth about the End Time prophecies, why we are here now and the age of the Earth.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-550\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Timeline_Katabole1.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"1532\" height=\"659\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">There are many places in scripture that talk about God foreknowing souls before they were born in a body on Earth. Our answer to that new Christian&#8217;s question must be supported by scripture so we can direct the person to read the truth. In this article we are going to look at the scriptural support for the concept of pre-existence of the soul and predestination from the viewpoint of the <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">Katabol<\/a><a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">\u00e9<\/a>. Does scripture identify where the line is drawn between God&#8217;s foreknowledge and an actual pre-existing relationship of our souls with God before we were sent to Earth to inhabit these bodies.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>The History of Pre-Existence <\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The apostle Paul mentions the mystery kept secret since the &#8216;world&#8217; began:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Romans 16:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/16-25.htm\">25<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">This mystery kept secret is God&#8217;s full plan for<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">the restoration to grace of Man and the Earth after the fall of Satan. Throughout history as Satan learned small pieces of the plan, he would move to block God&#8217;s plan:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">The corruption of Eve<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">The Nephilim \u2013 Sons of God mixing with woman<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">The Anakim and <\/span><\/span><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Rapheim\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">before Noah&#8217;s flood<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">The giants in the promise land<\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">The corruption of David <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Herod killing all the male babies <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Between 200 BC to 553 AD pre-existence of the soul was a &#8220;commonplace&#8221; concept and the early Church shared the same teaching and continued to do so until it was condemned by the Council of Constantinople in AD 553.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The writings of Philo and Josephus show that this belief was still active in late Judaism, which held that the soul had existed before it was drawn into a body, whence it longs to return after death.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Philo\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Josephus<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/Flavius-Josephus.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-534\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/PhiloThevet.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"220\" height=\"269\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/PhiloThevet.jpg 220w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/PhiloThevet-45x55.jpg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 220px) 100vw, 220px\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-514\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Flavius-Josephus.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"231\" height=\"269\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Flavius-Josephus.jpeg 193w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Flavius-Josephus-47x55.jpeg 47w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 231px) 100vw, 231px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><a href=\"http:\/\/cornerstonepublications.org\/Philo\/Philo_On_The_Creation.html\">Philo <\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/cornerstonepublications.org\/Philo\/Philo_On_The_Creation.html\">De Somniis<\/a><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><a href=\"http:\/\/cornerstonepublications.org\/Philo\/Philo_On_The_Creation.html\">Creation XXIV <\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/cornerstonepublications.org\/Philo\/Philo_On_The_Creation.html\">(75)\u00a0<\/a><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>It is on this account that Moses says, at the creation of man alone that God said, <a href=\"http:\/\/kingjbible.com\/genesis\/1-26.htm\">Genesis 1: 26<\/a><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>&#8220;Let us make man in our image, after our likeness,&#8221; which expression shows an assumption of other beings to himself as assistants, in order that God, the governor of all things, might have all the blameless intentions and actions of man, when he does right attributed to him; and that his other assistants might bear the imputation of his contrary actions.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sacred-texts.com\/jud\/josephus\/war-2.htm\">Flavius Josephus &#8211; The Wars Of The Jews <\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sacred-texts.com\/jud\/josephus\/war-2.htm\">Or The History Of The Destruction Of Jerusalem Book II \u2013<\/a><\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sacred-texts.com\/jud\/josephus\/war-2.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Chapter 8<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>That bodies are corruptible, and that the matter they are made \u00a0of is not permanent; but that the souls are immortal, and continue for ever; and that they come out of the most subtile air, and are united to their bodies as to prisons, into \u00a0which they are drawn by a certain natural enticement; but that when they are set free from the bonds of the flesh, they then, as released from a long bondage, rejoice and mount upward.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">It is amazing to read these commentaries from this early time period. Philo, in 40 AD was pondering the exact same questions raised in this article. Who is the \u201cus\u201d and \u201cour\u201d? Is this the Father and Son or others? Josephus equates man in the flesh as a prison for the soul. The belief in the time of Christ was supportive of pre-existence of the soul that were sent into bondage in a flesh body.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">We also see this same concept the scripture of Paul:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>2 Corinthians 5:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_corinthians\/5-1.htm\">1<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_corinthians\/5-2.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>2<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_corinthians\/5-3.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>3<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_corinthians\/5-4.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>4<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_corinthians\/5-5.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>5<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.<\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_corinthians\/5-6.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><strong>6<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em>Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: <\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The Protestant based denominations adopted the Roman Catholic ban on teaching pre-existence of the soul and we can see the ripples in the Church today. The ban was brought about because of political power struggles within the Church. Church leaders<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">claimed it taught reincarnation even though scripture clearly says:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"color: #ffcc99;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Hebrews 9:<a style=\"color: #ffcc99;\" href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/hebrews\/9-27.htm\">27<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Accusations of heresy allowed some to be condemned while others moved up in rank.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">References to the soul residing in Heaven with God were also present in the first King James 1611 edition of the Bible. It is uncommon today to see the books of the Apocrypha included in the Bible.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The original King James 1611 Bible included in it&#8217;s printing the Book of Esdras. This is one of the Apocrypha books which along with the book of Enoch and Wisdom of Solomon refer to pre-existing souls. The chamber of souls is a place created by God for the souls to reside until they are placed in a flesh body to be tested here on Earth:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.kingjamesbibleonline.org\/1611-Bible\/book.php?book=2+Esdras&amp;chapter=4&amp;verse=35\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>KJV 1611 &#8211; 2 Esdras 4:35<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Did not the <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">soules also of the righteous aske question of these things in their chambers<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>, saying, How long shall I hope on this fashion ? when commeth the fruit of the floore of our reward<\/em><\/span><\/span><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em> ?<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>36 And vnto these things Vriel the Archangel gaue them answere, and said, Euen when the number of seedes is filled in you: for he hath weighed the world in the ballance. 37 By measure hath hee measured the times, <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">and by number hath he numbred the times; and he doeth not mooue nor stirre them, vntill the said measure be fulfilled.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">In the verse from Esdras God is waiting on a set number of souls to be sown here on Earth to fulfill his plan.<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">We also see a mirror of this concept again in the scripture of<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Paul:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Romans 11:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/11-25.htm\">25<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. <\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">We can also learn that in the days the disciples were with Jesus, they believed a soul could have sinned prior to being sent to Earth. Look at the question they asked him:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>John 9:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/john\/9-1.htm\">1<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/john\/9-2.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>2<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/john\/9-3.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>3<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">We know that these miracles confirmed Jesus as the Messiah foretold by Isaiah:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Isaiah 35:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/isaiah\/35-5.htm\">5<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">We have strong evidence that in the time frame that the New Testament was written the common belief was that souls existed with God and was sent to Earth for a test or prison, but the soul longed to be back with God. We can also see how Paul echoes the pre-existence of the soul in many of his letters. From other research on the writing of Paul, we know that the Greek text in Paul&#8217;s letters are encoded with complex algorithms of 7s. This confirms the letters and the heptadic structures are the message of God through Paul.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><strong>Scripture Supports Pre-Existence<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">If we start with the Book of Job and Genesis we see hints that God was not alone and souls existed before this Earth age. The concept of more than one Earth Age is foreign to most Christians. Pre-existence is a natural question that comes up when the history of Satan and the <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">Katabol<\/a><a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">\u00e9 <\/a><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">are<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"> studied. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>Job 38:4 KJV<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/job\/38-4.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">4<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. <\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/job\/38-5.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">5<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? <\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/job\/38-6.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">6<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; <\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"color: #ffcc99;\"><strong><a style=\"color: #ffcc99;\" href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/job\/38-7.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">7<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">? <\/span><\/span><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Who are the morning stars and the sons of God?<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Stars:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>Relelation 12:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/revelation\/12-4.htm\">4<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And his tail drew the <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">third part of the stars of heaven<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>, and did cast them to the earth:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>Judges 5:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/judges\/5-20.htm\">20<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>They fought from heaven; <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">the stars in their courses fought against Sisera<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>Revelation 1:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/revelation\/1-20.htm\">20<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Sons of God:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>Luke 20:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/luke\/20-36.htm\">36<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>John 1:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/john\/1-12.htm\">12<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>1 John 3:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/1_john\/3-1.htm\">1<\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/1_john\/3-2.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>2<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">We must remember the <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">Katabol<\/a><a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">\u00e9<\/a> and what happened in the Time Satan rebelled against God was a mystery until it was later revealed. However the verse in Job definitely is speaking of others that were with God when he laid the foundation of this world.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">In the book of Genesis God makes a statement that reflects that he is not alone in the beginning of this Earth age:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Genesis 1:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/genesis\/1-26.htm\">26<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The \u201cus\u201d and \u201cour\u201d again seem to hint that God is not alone during the creation of the flesh body.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">If Moses and Paul are not good enough for evidence, we have a very direct and clear message from Jesus. <strong>Jesus<\/strong> himself tells Nicodemus about our soul coming down from the Father:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><strong>John 3:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/john\/3-12.htm\">12<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em>If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? <\/em><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/john\/3-13.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><strong>13<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em>And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The Apostle Paul&#8217;s writings seem to reflect not just in 2 Corinthians 5:1, but in the book of Hebrews the idea that our souls were sent to earth as pilgrims:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><strong>Hebrews 11:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/hebrews\/11-13.htm\">13<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em>These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that <\/em><\/span><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><span style=\"font-family: 'Liberation Serif', serif; color: #ffcc99;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth<\/span><\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><span style=\"color: #ffcc99;\">.<\/span> <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Paul also reflects God&#8217;s full plan, since before the <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">Katabol<\/a><a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">\u00e9<\/a>, was in place to restore Man:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Ephesians 1:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/ephesians\/1-4.htm\">4<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>According as he hath <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">chosen us in him before the foundation of the world<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Paul even expounds on the idea that God had afore prepared us as vessels:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><strong>Romans 9:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/9-23.htm\">23<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em> And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, <\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">which he had afore prepared<\/span><\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em> unto glory, <\/em><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/9-24.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><strong>24<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em>Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">When Jacob and Esau were still in the womb, God loved Jacob and hated Esau: <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Malachi 1:<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/malachi\/1-2.htm\">2<\/a> <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob&#8217;s brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/malachi\/1-3.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>3<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Romans 9:<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/9-10.htm\">10<\/a> <\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/9-11.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>11<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/9-12.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>12<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/9-13.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>13<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">God had to already known something about the two. Did God know the souls of Esau and Jacob before they entered into Rebekah&#8217;s womb? How could God hate Esau before he was born?<br \/>\nMany have pointed to the Esau and Jacob mystery and labeled it the foreknowledge of God. However knowing that God can see the beginning and end in this case does not rule out that both Esau and Jacob may have known God before they were born.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><strong>We do not Remember <\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">We see that our memories of this time before this Earth age are not remembered:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Ecclesiastes 1:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/ecclesiastes\/1-11.htm\">11<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><strong>The Elect and Predestination<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Are the\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Elect\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">the souls that existed in the first Earth age who did not follow Satan in the <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">Katabol<\/a><a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">\u00e9<\/a>. There is scriptural support that God knew the Elect before the Foundations of the World and even predesignated some of them to task to be completed here on Earth. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Romans 11:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/11-2.htm\">2<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/11-3.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>3<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/11-4.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>4<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>But what saith the answer of God unto him? <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/11-5.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>5<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The elect are the remnant of people who did<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">not bowed the knee to (Baal) Satan worship.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">While addressing the Ephesians, Paul said that God had chosen them &#8220;before the foundation of the world. Were those souls to whom Paul was speaking chosen before Genesis 1:1? \u201cc<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><em>hosen us in him before the foundation of the world\u201d\u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><em>What did God say happed in the Book of Job before the foundations of the World?<\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"> \u201c<\/span><\/span><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy\u201d<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">We see this echoed again by Paul in his letter to the Ephesians:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Ephesians 1:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/ephesians\/1-3.htm\">3<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/ephesians\/1-4.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>4<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/ephesians\/1-5.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>5<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The Elect were tried and found blameless before the foundation of the world. God chose them. They were chosen for a specific reason. <\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Church Doctrine and Reality<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<h1><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Did Jesus die for everyone or just some who were predestined? Does <\/span><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">God predesignate<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Salvation without giving the person a freewill to choose whether or not he wants to serve God?<\/span><\/span><\/h1>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The Arminians, or Arminianism in the Protestant faith hold that God does not predetermine, but instead infallibly knows who will believe and perseveringly be saved. <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The Calvinist Protestant doctrine states that God has mercy or withholds it, with particular consciousness of who are to be the recipients of mercy in Christ and who is predestine to burn in Hell. The Calvinist view is that the Elect are predestined to salvation regardless of their choices in life. <\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Calvin\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Arminius<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/James_Arminius_2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-524\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/John_Calvin_-_best_likeness.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"248\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/John_Calvin_-_best_likeness.jpg 200w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/John_Calvin_-_best_likeness-44x55.jpg 44w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-522\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/James_Arminius_2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"192\" height=\"249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/James_Arminius_2.jpg 200w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/James_Arminius_2-42x55.jpg 42w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 192px) 100vw, 192px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The doctrine of men have tried to twist the Word of God for hundreds of years to fit what men needed it to say. Sometimes this was for power and other times it has been to control the people of a time or region.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Are the Elect who pre-existed with God before the foundations of the World predestined for Salvation while others are predestined to Hell?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>What does the Bible really say:<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>I Timothy 2:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/1_timothy\/2-3.htm\">3<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>For this is good and acceptable in the sight of <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">God our Saviour; <\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/1_timothy\/2-4.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong>4<\/strong><\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Who will have all men to be saved<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>II Peter 3:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-9.htm\">9<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, <\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>I John 1:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/1_john\/2-1.htm\">1<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: <a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/1_john\/2-2.htm\">2<\/a><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>.<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Freewill and predestination<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">are<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">not exclusive &#8211; God&#8217;s foreknowledge or ability to see the beginning and end<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">of our choices does not interfere with our free will to choose.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<dl>\n<dt><\/dt>\n<\/dl>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><strong>Gods Foreknowledge<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The telescope can be used as<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">a time machine. Light<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">takes time to travel from one place to another. We see objects not as they are now but as they were at the time when they released the light that has traveled across the universe to us. The star light you see is not current but the light the star<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">emitted thousands of years ago.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">If you were able to adjust the telescope to see short distances and also long distances and could observe a single man&#8217;s life, you would know his past and future by seeing the light reflected from him from his beginning and end. However you have not predestined him to make the choices in his life, you just know the beginning and the end result of the choices.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Because God can see the beginning and end of the time line does not mean we have no freewill to choose salvation. Scripture supports a dynamic outcome of our choices to repent and follow God and salvation through Jesus.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">If God can see the full time line by folding the fabric of space which allows him to see both the beginning and end the outcome can be dynamic, not static as the Calvinist view reflects.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-520\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/GodFoldedTime21.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"370\" height=\"320\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/GodFoldedTime21.jpg 370w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/GodFoldedTime21-300x259.jpg 300w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/GodFoldedTime21-64x55.jpg 64w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 370px) 100vw, 370px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><strong>Predesignated Work<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Do some have a purpose before they are sent here to this Earth? Were some sent to do a specific task for God here on Earth?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">In the Book of Jeremiah we are told Jeremiah was preordained:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Jeremiah 1:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/jeremiah\/1-5.htm\">5<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Did God just have foreknowledge of how Jeremiah would turn out because he can see the beginning and end or did he know Jeremiah personally before Jeremiah was sent to Earth?<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Romans 8:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/8-28.htm\">28<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/8-29.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>29<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/romans\/8-30.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>30<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Were the disciples of Jesus predesignated to be called to service when God foreknew them in the First Earth Age? From the study of scripture, God&#8217;s plan for the restoration of man through the sacrifice of the Lamb of God was in place from the beginning of this current Earth age.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><strong>Maybe the <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">Katabol<\/a><a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">\u00e9<\/a> was just the flood of Noah<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Before Satan fell he was anointed as a guardian cherub, and he was blameless from the day he was created, until wickedness was found in him (Ezekiel 28:14,15). Then he, and his throne were cast down to the earth; and, ever since, his goal has been to raise his throne above God (Isaiah 14:12,13). Please refer to the study on this subject: <a href=\"..\/..\/?p=125\">The Katabol\u00e9 \u2013 Satan\u2019s war with God<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/07\/Satans_Fall.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-532\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/OneThirdFall.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"202\" height=\"249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/OneThirdFall.jpeg 202w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/OneThirdFall-45x55.jpeg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 202px) 100vw, 202px\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-540\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Satans_Fall.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"252\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Satans_Fall.jpeg 200w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Satans_Fall-44x55.jpeg 44w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-542\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Satans_Fall2.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"202\" height=\"249\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Satans_Fall2.jpeg 202w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Satans_Fall2-45x55.jpeg 45w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 202px) 100vw, 202px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>The Earth was Destroyed after the Katabole<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>2 Peter<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/em><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><strong> 3:<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/em><em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-5.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><strong>5<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/em><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: <\/span><\/span><\/em><em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-6.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">6<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/em><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:<\/span><\/span><\/em><em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-7.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">7<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/em><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. <\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Jeremia<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/em><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">h <\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/em><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">4:<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/em><em><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/jeremiah\/4-24.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">24<\/span><\/span><\/a><\/strong><\/em><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.<\/span><\/span><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/jeremiah\/4-25.htm\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">25<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/a><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.<\/span><\/span><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/jeremiah\/4-26.htm\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">26<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/a><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of<\/span><\/span><\/em><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">the LORD, and by his fierce anger.<\/span><\/span><\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/jeremiah\/4-27.htm\"><em><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">27<\/span><\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/a><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. <\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"> <img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-530\" src=\"http:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Mountains_ofArarat_1_sm.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Mountains_ofArarat_1_sm.jpg 400w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Mountains_ofArarat_1_sm-200x150.jpg 200w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Mountains_ofArarat_1_sm-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Mountains_ofArarat_1_sm-73x55.jpg 73w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Mountains_ofArarat_1_sm-123x92.jpg 123w, https:\/\/howlongolord.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/09\/Mountains_ofArarat_1_sm-100x75.jpg 100w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/> \r\n\r\nContrast between the flood of Lucifer and Noah's flood<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<table border=\"1\" cellspacing=\"1\" cellpadding=\"4\">\n<tbody>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><strong>Katabole Flood<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"105\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"141\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><strong>Noah&#8217;s Flood<\/strong><\/span><\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"102\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"105\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"141\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"102\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Earth made waste - <\/span><\/span><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\">\u201c<\/span><\/em><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">But the earth became<\/span><\/span><\/em>\r\n<em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">(or \u201chad become\u201d) without form, and void\u201d. <\/span><\/span><\/em><\/pre>\n<p><strong><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">2 Peter 3:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/2_peter\/3-6.htm\">6<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/strong><em><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:<\/span><\/span><\/em><\/td>\n<td width=\"105\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen. 1:2<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"141\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Earth not made waste but was covered<\/span><\/span>\r\n<span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">with water to kill the Nephilim<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"102\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen. 6:4, 8:11, 12,22;<\/span><\/span>\r\n<span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Heb.11:7; 1 Pet.3:20;<\/span><\/span>\r\n<span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Jude 1:6<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Earth was totally dark<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"105\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.1:2-5<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"141\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Not totally dark<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"102\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.8;6-22<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">No day and night<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"105\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.1:2-5<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"141\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">There was day and night<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"102\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.8:1-22<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">All vegetation destroyed<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"105\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.1:2; 2:5-6;<\/span><\/span>\r\n<span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">2 Peter 3:5-6<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"141\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Vegetation not destroyed<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"102\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.8:11,21; 9:3,20<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">All fish were totally destroyed<\/span><\/span>\r\n<span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">in the Katabole<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"105\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.1:2<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"141\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">No fish were destroyed or created<\/span><\/span>\r\n<span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">again after Noah's flood<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"102\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.1:20-23; 6:18-22<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">No fowls left on earth<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"105\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.1:2<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"141\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Fowls were left after Noah's flood<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"102\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.6:20; 8:7-17<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">No animals left on Earth<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"105\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.1:2; 2 Peter 3:5-6<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"141\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Some of all animals kept alive<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"102\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen.6:20; 8:17; 9:2-4,10-16<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">No souls of men left on Earth<\/span><\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"105\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen. 1:26-28<\/span><\/span><\/td>\n<td width=\"141\">\n<pre><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">An ark was made - men and women were<\/span><\/span>\r\n<span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">saved after Noah's flood<\/span><\/span><\/pre>\n<\/td>\n<td width=\"102\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Gen. 8:16<\/span><\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td width=\"159\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"105\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"141\"><\/td>\n<td width=\"102\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Teachers today avoid all but just the milk teachings and flee from any meat. In this research<\/span> <span style=\"font-size: medium;\">we definitely got into the meat of the subject:<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><strong>1 Corinthians <a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/1_corinthians\/3-1.htm\">1<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em>And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. <\/em><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/1_corinthians\/3-2.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em><strong>2<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><em>I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>Hebrews 5:<a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/hebrews\/5-13.htm\">13<\/a><\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. <\/em><\/span><\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/bible.cc\/hebrews\/5-14.htm\"><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em><strong>14<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-family: Liberation Serif,serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><em>But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Between 200 BC to 553 AD pre-existence was a &#8220;commonplace&#8221; concept of the early Church. 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